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Sometimes You Just Have to Ask the Right Person

July 8, 2007 Planning & Design, South City, Transportation 7 Comments

A couple of years ago I emailed St. Louis’ Citizens’ Service Bureau asking them to add directional arrows on Hartford at Grand. For years I’ve seen drivers be confused as they leave the Commerce Bank drive-thru/parking area or the parking area behind the commercial strip that contains the St. Louis Bread Co. and Kinkos. Many drivers, it appeared, either forgot or did not realize this was a one-way street heading toward Grand. You would routinely see a driver in the right lane but make a left turn — potentially cutting off someone correctly in the left lane to turn left. I went throught the proper channel but it never got done.

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But as you can see above it was recently done. Sometimes it takes the right person asking the right person and good things can happen. Last month I ran into Director of Streets Todd Waeltermann down at City Hall during a meeting of the Board of Aldermen. We had a pleasant conversation but I am certainly not his favorite person after I’ve made such a big deal over valet parking and other issues impacting his department. Still, I think, we both realize a good working relationship is best in the long run. So, during our impromptu chat I mentioned this area and followed up with an email that read, in part:

Hartford in the block east of Grand (next to Commerce Bank) is one-way westbound. People coming out of the bank and Breadco don’t always realize this and stay to the right as they head to Grand and then make a left turn — conflicting with those in the left turning left. I’ll try to get a picture to send you. What is needed is a simple dividing line with the left lane marked as left-turn only and the right lane marked as straight or right. Better signs might help but people often don’t see signs as they exit from these two areas onto westbound Hartford. Better pavement marking would greatly help.

A few days ago, after dinner on the patio at City Diner, I noticed the striping and arrows I had suggested had been done. Needless to say, I was very glad to see this finally in place — I sent Waeltermann a thank you via email that night. I’m not sure when this got done, perhaps at the same time as the intersection up the street at Grand & Magnolia (see post). I went back on Saturday to get photos and observe traffic and it did appear the pavement markings helped people as they were busy driving, putting away cash from the ATM and talking on their cell phone. Only one vehicle out of 25 or so turned left from the right lane, an improvement to be sure.

Other items on my wish list to Waeltermann were a bit more involved so I understand why they are not done. One involves striping along South Broadway between I-55 and I-55 (Cherokee to Osceolla roughly) so that the outside lane is not the current 20ft+ width which encourages people to pass on the right in the parking lane. This type of striping has been done in the 11th Ward section of Broadway further South and it made a big difference. This area is being looked at for bike route planning so I doubt anything will happen until the planning has been done. I’d heard talk of removing on-street parking on one side so that 4-traffic lanes plus bike lanes could be accommodated. I personally would keep the on-street parking and drop the traffic from four lanes down to two but that is a good subject for an entirely different post.

Again, I appreciate the responsiveness of Todd Waeltermann in implementing logical markings to help motorists and hopefully reduce accidents (or at least angry drivers) at this intersection.

 

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  1. Jim Zavist says:

    I’ve found the same thing to be true in my life – developing relationships based on mutual respect is more effective than just lobbing hand gernades. This is also probably a case of letting a trained professional do their job without involving the legislative branch. Bottom line, problem identified and problem solved.

    [SLP — Unfortunately I think with the local government the “mutual respect” was something I gained by “lobbing hand grenades.”] 

     
  2. Brian says:

    The section of Broadway you mention will soon have bike lanes as part of Phase II of Bike St. Louis. Likewise, restriping will narrow the excessive width of Natural Bridge’s lanes as well.

     
  3. LisaS says:

    I noticed that problem one evening when visiting S. Grand for an evening at Erato. Glad it’s fixed. What bothers me: what do those of us who don’t visit City Hall all the time have to do to get things done? How do we know who to talk to? Why don’t the delineated, publicized channels work? Why is it always about “who you know”?

    [SLP — Good questions.  The answer really is that is the way things have been done for decades and those doing it don’t really know any better — they think the system works.  And for them, it does work fine.  I hope that by continuing to point these things out and talk about alternative methods that perhaps, over time, we can change the system.  We get a very good chance every two years — at the Spring elections.]

     
  4. john says:

    Aha! – you must be the man to talk to then –

    Since the completion of the Choteau bridge linking Vandeventer and Grand I have noticed a curious transformation to the intersection of Choteau and Grand…

    Driving Experiment: As one drives over the train tracks on Grand headed towards Children’s Hospital if you are in the far left lane you will notice that the stoplight above your lane has been fitted with a left turn signal…but there haven’t been any striping changes to the lane itself, and no re-configuration of the actual lanes. Consequently the left turn signal changes to a red light, but the lane itself, which serves (as it always has) as a continuation THROUGH that intersection is effectively (or is it) blocked to drivers.

    This is forcing all of the traffic over into the middle lane, as any regular commuter on this stretch of Grand knows better than to use the far right lanes (on either side) since they are used for parking (or buses).

    What is the deal with that lane?? Is it a turn only lane or not?

    AAAAAGH! HELP!

     
  5. Mike G. says:

    Here’s one of my lane striping pet peeves…Heading West on Arsenal between Grand and Kingshighway along the park. It’s striped for 4 lanes, but the right lane also doubles as a parking lane. Every morning I encounter a car driving in the far right lane trying to pass everybody that then (nearly) runs into a parked car and has to get over disrupting the natural flow. It’s the same way South Grand was before the bump outs. Parking lanes are not driving lanes yet the white dashes would lead you to think they were. That’s a perfect stretch for 2 lanes plus a bike lane and then on street parking adjacent to Tower Grove Park. Can you get on that Steve? 😉

    [SLP — Let me see what I can do, the alderwoman knows me well…]

     
  6. Dustin says:

    John,

    That one drives me nuts too. Many people ignore the red left arrow and just continue straight through (logical) but so many people try to do the “right” thing and clog up the through lane.

    Modot has messed up Manchester/Chouteau for many miles in anticipation of the 40/64 shutdown. I think they have just made things worse (for drivers AND Pedestrians).

     
  7. john says:

    dustin,
    yeah, i’m one of the “logical” ones…i just keep a wary eye in the rear view – i can’t think of a good reason for an officer of the lawliness NOT to give me a ticket for it!

     

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