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Beware of the Sweetheart Dell?

January 31, 2008 Economy, Politics/Policy, STL Region 35 Comments

In 2004 my hometown of Oklahoma City was all excited about being selected for a new Dell “customer contact center” to be located on 60 acres near downtown. Around the same time, Dell announced plans for a similar center in Edmonton, Canada. Everyone in Edmonton seemed excited, from a Business Edge article from January 2005:

“With 475 of the initial 500 positions now filled, Dell said it will hire another 250 people and hopes to have a total staff of 750 working in its Edmonton customer-contact centre by July.

Dell’s entry into Edmonton was first projected to create economic benefits pegged at $600 million over a 20-year period. That figure now rises to $900 million.

“The new jobs could mean another $300 million over the 20-year period,” said Edmonton Economic Development Corp. (EEDC) president and CEO Allan Scott, who added that these numbers may have to be revised upward once more.

The EEDC inducements included lease incentives valued at $1.1 million – equal to five years of property taxes during the first five years of the 20-year agreement – and assistance in helping Dell to locate a permanent site for its customer-contact centre. Further, land for Dell’s permanent Edmonton home will be leased to Dell for 20 years at the rate of $1 per year. Dell will pay all school and business taxes from the beginning of its operations in Edmonton. Over the first five years, those taxes are valued at about $750,000.

In return, Dell agreed to provide and maintain at least 500 full-time positions within its first six months and to begin construction of a permanent facility on the leased land within 18 months.

According to Scott, the incentives were necessary to level the playing field with highly competitive prospects in the U.S. Dell was considering a total of 153 locations, and that also included Calgary.”

Time for Edmonton’s EEDC to recalculate — Dell today announced the closing of the facility. In Oklahoma City another 200-300 employees got pink slips, 1,200 in total between the two locations. Did the deals with Edmonton and Oklahoma City include any type of clawback in case Dell backed out before the end of the deal? Given the competition among cities, probably not.

So what happened? Many things beyond the control of the respective governments of Edmonton and Oklahoma City. HP passed Dell to be the #1 supplier of computers in the world (or was that US?, doesn’t really matter), Dell’s quest to offer the public a $400 computer didn’t really leave room for a profit. While computer sales have been growing, Apple’s sales have far outpaced the growth of the overall market. Microsoft released Vista upon the world and many ordered new computers with XP instead — the sales boom that makers like Dell expected never happened. Finally, Dell’s delivery method — a very efficient system —- has saved every penny it can. I should disclose that I am a major Mac fan — logo tattoo and all.

Interestingly, as I’ve gleaned from my professors, companies often do not select a city based on the incentives offered. Other factors such as a workforce skilled for the proposed work, availability of a suitable site (which could play into incentives) and such are the bigger forces. Of course, if offered, the companies are not going to turn them down.

So what does all this have to do with urban life in St. Louis? Plenty.

St. Louis’ RCGA (Regional Commerce and Growth Association) does business much like all the other cities out there. Local governments do the same. Centene’s decision to locate in downtown St. Louis at the delayed Ballpark Village comes to mind. We’ve all seen the reports — x-number of jobs to be created, generation of so many hundreds of millions of dollars — yadda yadda yadda. In all the excitement we lose track that markets can change quickly.

One day Enron is a wonderful corporate citizen and the next it is bankrupt because of mismanagement by owners. The St. Louis region has some great long-term companies — those that haven’t cashed out yet. Small to large, longevity is more important than flash and show for the short term. If they want incentives here is one — on the 20th anniversary of a facility with an average of x-number of employees over the years then the company will get a refund of Y. Break it up in five year increments or whatever. We need to know more about these sweetheart deals that companies like Centene are getting and what happens if they are bought out, go under or just decide to move?

Edmonton’s Dell center was only open just over 3 years. It probably took the city a year to put the deal together. Certainly not a good return on their investment.

 

Currently there are "35 comments" on this Article:

  1. Nick Kasoff says:

    When I call Dell for tech support, I always get somebody in India who barely understands what I’m saying, and who knows nothing about the product he is supporting. Maybe if they’d let somebody in North America take the call, I’d actually get some useful assistance – and these call centers wouldn’t be going out of business.

     
  2. Scott O. says:

    Chaos. The problem could be solved if every city and state just agreed to forget about incentives for businesses. One, level playing field free from give-aways. Instead, we have corporations pocketing untold billions that should be going to school and community services. Talk about a broken system. Cities should compete based on the workforces, transportation, cost of living, etc. i.e. positive forces. Instead, we have an orgy of shiny gold carrots and not a single stick in sight.

     
  3. john says:

    The downward spiral created when revenue dependent politicians can use public resources to lure corporate relocations is still in the early stages. Clayton has just recently chosen this route in voting for its first TIF in “order to be competitive”. Typically these strategies make current political leadership look good as jobs are created but burdens future leaders with rising conflicts. Too often these deals become self-defeating and Centene’s business is dependent on government subsidized health programs.

     
  4. Jim Zavist says:

    Has anyone actually compared reality versus promises? Gone back 10 or 20 years and picked a representative sample and looked at the real “results”? I know politics thrives on promises, but until they can be countered with hard facts, all we’re gonna get is mosre of the same . . . stupidity.

     
  5. Nick Kasoff says:

    Jim – I think that even if you can counter with hard facts, you’ll still get more of the same. Even if, in a majority of cases, the fruits of “development incentives” do not linger for long, there are important benefits. For example, it makes it appear that the local politicians are “doing something.”

     
  6. Southside Tim says:

    IMO the best incentives should be aimed at small business which statistically creates the most new jobs year after year. The incentives should include low to no taxes, get rid of the license fees, employment taxes etc etc. If and when the small businesses succeed they will drag along the rest of our local economy in new jobs, housing demand, restaurants frequented etc etc. If you look closely at Centene they are getting back their 1% and .5% employee taxes as part of the incentive. Don’t you think every other employer in the city is now looking at the same thing. Those 2 taxes have to go. Now how do you replace a third of the city budget?

     
  7. Chris Cleeland says:

    Rather than focus on businesses, lure workers. How about applying a similar incentive principal to *residents* so that residents want to live and work in a city?

    How can this happen? Get the businesses that want workers to invest. Why would workers move to an area to work when they can live where they are and just drive? Ahhhh…therein lies the rub, eh? Make commuting a little less viable, maybe?

     
  8. high5apparatus says:

    Excellent article and commentary.

    Get well soon.

     
  9. Patrick says:

    Steve, I want to send well wishes to you hope for a quick recovery. God Bless if you so believe.

     
  10. john w. says:

    Ditto Patrick’s comment. See you soon.

     
  11. Friend says:

    ^
    Here is what the last two comments reference.

    Godspeed, Steve. We need you!

     
  12. Jim Zavist says:

    I’m at a loss for words – young, with a whole lot to live and give, and a positive, driving force here in St. Louis . . .

     
  13. Doug Kropp says:

    Hang in there Steve! Kim and I are thinking of you…

     
  14. Thor Randolphson says:

    Some things are far more important that Cities and urban design.

    Get well soon.

     
  15. Scott & Lauren says:

    Steve –

    Get well soon!

    Scott

     
  16. LisaS says:

    Steve–you’re in our thoughts and prayers here …. get better soon …..

     
  17. Kate L. says:

    Steve, you are in my prayers buddy. You better get well and start blogging again, because nobody can ever fill your shoes.

     
  18. studs lonigan says:

    Hope you’re better and back in action soon, Steve.

     
  19. jeff says:

    Holy shit.

    Best wishes

     
  20. Greg says:

    Steve:

    You’re in my prayers, get well soon.

     
  21. njenney says:

    Get well soon Steve.

     
  22. jvanderweele says:

    My thoughts are with you, get well soon.

     
  23. Michael says:

    Can’t stop thinking about you. Stay strong—hope to talk soon.

    MP

     
  24. PT says:

    Steve, Looking forward to your scooter buzzing down my street(very soon!) Get well!

     
  25. Chris says:

    Any word yet on Steve’s condition?

     
  26. Lisa UCity says:

    Sending healing thoughts, Steve – take good care, and we’re all pulling for your speedy recovery.
    ~Lisa UCity

     
  27. ponalau says:

    Steve, visiting this site is an addiction for me. I really need you to get better for purely selfish reasons.

    Honestly though, I hope you’re up and running and doing what you love in no time.

     
  28. Friends for Patterson says:

    Steve continues to recover and his prognosis is looking better every day. All of your off and online sentiments are much appreciated. His friends and family thank everyone for the overwhelming outpouring of support (even from those with whom he has disagreed). Their will be a more comprehensive update soon. Stay tuned.

     
  29. Friends for Patterson says:

    Steve’s recovery is coming along and looking very promising. He should soon be moved from the ICU. If anyone would like to send a card you can mail it to his office where they will be collected and we will make sure he gets them.

    Circa Properties, Inc.
    C/O Steven L. Patterson
    4507 S. Kingshighway Blvd.
    Saint Louis, MO 63109

     
  30. JB says:

    Best of health, Steve, and recover quickly. Our hopes are with you.

     
  31. Our prayers are with you Steve. This city needs you!

     
  32. Jim Zavist says:

    Two weeks in the ICU is no picnic, but it sure beats the alternative – I sincerely hope Steve continues to make a complete, if not speedy, recovery . . .

     
  33. SIG says:

    Steve, Read the comments and found out that you’re not just taking a winter ski vacation somewhere. Get well soon. I’d love to help in any way, so please don’t hesitate to ask (Same for all Steve’s friends reading this, please email or call if there’s anything I can do or help with – four nine four, seven five four nine).

    Sending positive thoughts your way for complete recovery.

     
  34. SIG says:

    Steve, Read the comments and found out that you’re not just taking a winter ski vacation somewhere. Get well soon. I’d love to help in any way, so please don’t hesitate to ask (Same for all Steve’s friends reading this, please email or call if there’s anything I can do or help with – four nine four, seven five four nine).

    Sending positive thoughts your way for complete recovery.

    Anjana.

     
  35. Jim Zavist says:

    2 pm today (Monday) – discussion on KMOX about changing state law(s) on these operations . . .

     

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