Watson Road, Revisited
A guest editorial by Jim Zavist, AIA
A couple of months ago, I did a guest post on the work starting at Pietro’s Restaurant, to apparently construct an outdoor seating area (view post). Now that the work is essentially complete, I have some more observations:
One, the new work was done professionally and is a good addition to an established neighborhood business – it’s always good to see reinvestment, it’s evidence that an area is doing well.
Two, my original assumptions (based on the foundations in place) were correct – the new seating area is raised above sidewalk level by ±1′ and is covered by a large awning. I’m confident that “part two” will happen later this year, as the weather cools – the clear vinyl sides will be rolled down and the space heaters will be turned on, and what was once public space will truly become private.
Three, the remaining sidewalk is a mixed bag. On the positive side, all the old concrete around the new patio was removed and replaced with new, eliminating any potential trip hazards. Two, the on-street parking does buffer the remaining public space pretty well – it looks tight driving by, but it doesn’t feel overly tight walking by. But on the negative side, even though this is new work, the cross slope exceeds ADAAG limits, so it remains somewhat difficult for people with disabilities to navigate the area.
Four, I did get an email response from Ald. Hanrahan on why she approved the request to occupy the public right-of-way. Her “defense” was that Stelina’s Café (up the street) had established a precedent when they were granted a permit to place planters in the public right-of-way. In my view, the two situations are not at all comparable, but in her view, a valid case was made by Pietro’s. I guess that’s why I’m such a stickler when it comes to letting anything that can be viewed as precedential being approved with little or no public input.
And five, unlike Stelina’s planters (which were a small investment and can be easily removed), Pietro’s investment is going to be with us for many years. I just find it unfortunate that the process for allowing this usurpation of the public realm can and does occur with no apparent public input. Yes, I know we live in a representative democracy, that our representatives won’t always vote the way we would want them to, and that “this is the way we’ve always done things around here”. The public doesn’t need to comment on every building permit. But when it comes to semi-permanent changes to public property, there needs to be something more stringent and open than one person’s untrained opinion being the final say.
Bottom line, this a good addition to a neighborhood business that simply goes too far. The public realm is precious – once it’s “gone”, it’s very hard to reclaim it. It’s up to our city staff and our elected officials to sometimes be the “bad guys”, to do their jobs, and to say just no, you’re simply asking for too much. As I said in the first post, I’d be a lot more sympathetic if there were no other real options. But this is a case where the building’s owner had multiple options that would not have impacted the public sidewalk. The new patio could’ve been built shallower but wider, with the same amount of, or even more, square feet – the building is set back from the sidewalk. Or, heaven forbid, several of their many parking spaces could’ve been used instead. But for whatever reason(s), the decision was made that a patio of this size would be the “best” solution, with little or no consideration of the negative impacts to local pedestrians and the existing streetscape and its existing, consistent, urban setbacks.
Local Architect Jim Zavist was born in upstate New York, raised in Louisville KY, spent 30 years in Denver Colorado and relocated to St. Louis in 2005.
Steve’s added commentary:
Thanks Jim for your fine contributions to the dialog. I’ve visited this location twice since the first post ran in late June. Jim’s observations are spot-on. It is nice to see a local business doing well enough to reinvest in their location. However, in this instance, their location has been expanded into the public’s space.
The cross slope is a serious issue. This is the side to side slope relative to the path of travel. First, someone in a manual wheelchair has a much more difficult time trying to keep the chair going straight ahead — a lot of energy is consumed just trying to keep from getting pushed off the curb and into the street. And for those of us that do walk with a cane I can tell you that a cross slope is also a challenge to deal with. The general idea with new concrete work is to provide just enough slope to shed water. At the outer edges of sidewalks the cross slope does get excessive as the sidewalk is angled down to meet the curb. This is all the more reason to preserve a wider sidewalk space.
Interestingly there remains private land to the south of the new patio (as shown in the first photo above). They could have made the patio shallower so as to not invade the pubic right of way but made it longer to get sufficient seating capacity. As pointed out above they also have a very large surface parking lot which could have been used. However, I do like the idea of the patio being adjacent to the public sidewalk as that can enhance the pedestrian experience if done right. But this patio squeezes the pedestrian and diminishes the public space. In the very least I would have insisted they create some separation between their surface parking and the public sidewalk.
The remaining space is minimally passable. But we shouldn’t seek to reach for the minimums when it comes to pedestrian space. We must raise our standards.
It seems I’ve found a restaurant I won’t be frequenting. Too bad for them that they used the space in such a poor fashion – but even worse, they have a huge parking lot. I’m not interested in giving them my business.
I don’t fault the businesses as much as those who approve the requests. Businesses are trying to attract customers and while they SHOULD have the bigger picture in mind, they all too often do not. Those who approve the projects SHOULD have the public at large in mind, and it seems all too often they do not. It is a very nice patio and no doubt will increase business but Jim makes a good point about not considering all the options.
Simple, car culture in control. Sidewalks for pedestrians can be sacrificed but a large parking lot cannot. An elected official may prefer to claim a precedent from a few planters but it is simply another example of favoritism (also difficult to remove) at work.
Not to be too much of a hater, but Pietro’s is gross. It’s basically a banquet hall surrounded by an enormous parking lot, yet for some reason it’s packed all the time. It reminds me of Garavellie’s, lots of retired folks eating mediocre food. Given the lack of sensitivity to any visual component of the restaurant (building exterior, parking lot, banquet-style dining room, etc.), I’m not surprised by the “design” of the addition and how it relates to it’s surroundings.
I think when I walk down Watson I will gather any trash I find and stick it on the points of that fence. Hey, great place for panhandlers too. “Pardon me lady, but could you spare that tip money”.
Looking at the image, it is hard to complain about the construction of the patio if it had not extended any further into the sidewalk than the parking area in picture #1.
I kind of like how it looks and like that the patio is street facing for aesthetic reasons but they really should have used some of their big parking lot instead of taking up the sidewalk.
If they want to reinvest in the business they should rebuild that horrible entrance. It is much too tight with a step and two doors for someone to navigate. This may not seem like much, but when you serve such an elderly demographic most days this can be a real burden on them. I’ve seen more than one senior almost go down getting in and out that door.
The food isn’t all that bad, try the Veal Pietro or Chicken Maria. It is nice to have a non-chain Italian place that isn’t trying to hoc $25 entrees. We seem to be losing good mid-range price options in independent restaurants anymore.
I for one do not want to eat outside sitting on some parking lot. I can do that at some fast food joint. When I want to eat outside, I want to experience one of two things: 1) the scenic views of nature (think Boathouse) or 2) feel the urban experience (think Culpeppers in the CWE) regardless of the occasional stero blasts.
I purposely made no design judgements on the existing conditions (building and parking lot). While I have my opinions, St. Louis doesn’t have design review in most areas, and this is a long-standing business that has maintained their facilities to a good level for many years. And while neither would qualify as “good” design in the academic sense, they’re really not “in play” here – the only thing that was permitted was the new covered patio. And I don’t really fault Pietro’s for “being greedy” – they have every right to ask, it’s up to the city to say no, and in this case, I think the city failed us.
I have read all the comments and the article regarding the addition of the patio at Pietros and it looks like to me that you people have nothing better to do than pick apart a very nice addition to the restaurant. Why don’t you complain about all the other places that have outside, sidewalk dining?
My family has been going to this restaurant for many years and it is a very nice family oriented place to eat. The food happens to be very good there and I can say this because my husband and I eat there every evening.
They left as much sidewalk easement as anyone on that street. They followed the law and for this you had to add your two cents worth. This is why a lot of businesses are moving out of the city and going to the county. You should be glad that places as nice as this are staying in the city.
Instead of trying to bash their establishment, you should go by and see that not all the public feels the way you do,as their patio dining has been completely filled since it opened.
“It is nice to have a non-chain Italian place that isn’t trying to hoc $25 entrees. We seem to be losing good mid-range price options in independent restaurants anymore”.
There are so many mid-range price option places out there for great pasta. It just takes looking and trying a few. In fact, there are far less +$25 entree restaurants than there are -$25.
Pietros is my opinion is not good and totally not worth going to (believe me, i’ve been to way too many ‘after funeral dinners’ and other family functions there).
on another note: I drive by at least once/twice a week and have never seen a diner on the patio.
mkc, you are exactly the type of people I spoke about in my comment. It’s your right to choose where you eat. Just don’t run down a business that has apparently appealed to a lot of people for over 40 years. And if it bothers you that much don’t go with the funeral parties that choose to go there.
So, Mary, if Biggie’s (or a new Hooters) asked for and received permission to close two lanes of Watson to open a beer garden, that would be OK with you? It would both help their business and slow down traffic. And it would OK for your neighbor to put their above-ground pool in your front yard? The issue here has nothing to do with the quality of Pietro’s food or even how “nice†the addition may be or how many people are now using it. It has all to do with a private business taking over someone else’s property, in this case, the public’s, pretty much permanently, for their own private use, for no other reason than that they wanted to. I doubt you’d let your neighbor do that to you – why should we, the citizens of St. Louis, let our “leaders†do that to us?! And, as a citizen and a local taxpayer, I have as much right to “add my two cents worth†as you have. If you search back on this site, you’ll also see that I have complained in the past about “other places that have outside, sidewalk dining.†But Mary, you are wrong, they have NOT “left as much sidewalk easement as anyone on that streetâ€, they’ve taken more, a lot more. There’s a big difference between putting tables (or even planters) out on an existing sidewalk during lunch and dinner hours and building a permanent structure that will block the sidewalk 24/7 for the next twenty, thirty or forty years. True, “They followed the lawâ€, and that’s my point – it’s the law and the process that’s flawed, not Pietro’s for asking and receiving permission.
Thanks to JZ and Steve for spending the time and efforts for informing the public on these important civil issues. It is quite clear that elected/appointed officials allocated favoritism to benefit one owner at the expense of the public. This misallocation of public resources sets a serious precedent and one that is not positive.
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This followup piece is something rarely offered by local media, especially the dismal PD. Being a good corporate citizen should be honored and public officials should respect the oath of office.
While street dining can be a good experience, I agree that the city should encourage them to use free flowing tables rather than a permanent construction such as this. Being able to move the tables would allow for flexibility. Although I’m not sure this area is much of a pedestrian zone. It is not like the loop or Grand Ave at Tower Grove Park.
Using the parking lot could have given them a chance to do a more interesting type of courtyard design. Or alternately, if the dining area pictured was pulled back another few feet it would have made the sidewalk feel much more comfortable. It looks like there is plenty of room.
Mary, no matter the merits or demerits of the food, there is no other way to improve design quality Except through discussion. Just because something is legal does not mean it is right, slavery was legal at one time and so was the denial of the right of women to vote.
St. Louis has a long way to go to take architectural and urban design to the next level, until then St. Louis is simply a lovable hoosier city that enjoys wrecking its past.
This is a complete clusterfuck and proof of why these type of decisions as well as larger planning issues should be taken out of the hands of alderman and left to the City’s Planning department whose staff should have the education and knowledge to make good judgments when these situations arise. Some alderman have an understanding of the urban environment, but it is obvious that many don’t.
…ahh, the above-ground pool example. Always a good one. I would definitely object.