Poll results: Readers think Arizona’s immigration law is unconstitutional
The following are the results of the poll from last week:
Q: Thoughts on Arizona’s new immigration law? Pick one:
- The law is unconstitutional. 63 [38.89%]
- Something was needed, but this law goes to far. 40 [24.69%]
- The law is just right, good job Arizona. 38 [23.46%]
- The law doesn’t go far enough, should be tougher. 13 [8.02%]
- Other answer… 6 [3.7%]
- No opinion 2 [1.23%]
During the week the #2 & #3 answers switch places back and forth.
The “other” answers provided by readers were:
- Pandering to angry whites; won’t be enforced.
- Bad law, but Federal Government’s fault for not addressing immigration refo
- Maybe we can attract more immigrants to STL instead of Arizona! We have the room!
- unconstitutional and needs to ban any illegal immigrants from all over the world
- Could they make the police state any more blatant?
- It’s unconstitutional. But it highlights the failures of the Federal govern
If a silver lining exists it is that the issue may now get the proper attention in Washington.
– Steve Patterson
One, illegal immigration is driven by economic opportunity. Employers are already required to check. What else can be done to those employers who continue to choose to hire illegal aliens?! Two, the Arizona law simply codified racial profiling. If you don't look “furrin”, you won't be considered “suspicious” and you won't have to prove residency. The real losers are third and fourth generaton Hispanics, who will be subjected to the same “driving while black” harassment that African Amerians experience around here. The scary part is that some people want to impose the same standards here, while the bottom line, economics, is being missed completely. The real issue is that our manufacturing is moving overseas, not that immigrants are coming here and “taking” our jobs. Go into any retailer and look at where stuff is now made (it most likely ain't here – even the charcoal I was using last night came from Nicaragua, not the Ozarks). With stagnant and dropping wages, there's only so much imported stuff and so many services we can continue to sell each other . . . .
Did any of you actually read the bill? I didn't think so. The bill states that officers can check a person's immigration status only after they've been detained for another offense. There will not be checkpoints popping up all over Arizona with billy club wielding, jack-booted police officers yanking people from cars if they “look foreign.”
That being said, the law IS unconstitutional because it attempts to usurp the power of the federal government, and will end up being overturned in court. Most importantly, they don't define “reasonable suspicion” in the bill, which will lead to the high probability of abuse.
After reading the entire bill, I think it is a horrible law, but most Arizonians don't. Here is the bill:
http://tinyurl.com/2al7u6k
It's easy for us in St. Louis, with our low number of illegal immigrants to sit and look down judgmentally on the people of Arizona. Do any of us really know what the situation on the ground in Arizona really is?
It is an ugly situation in Arizona, I have been told by friends and relatives there. However, we are running towards something even uglier with this.
I found it interesting the other day in the Post, although not surprising, that the St. Charles Council finds the law intriguing for themselves. I mean why not, isn't that why most moved to St. Chuck. I find St. Chuck amusing in its ways. I read not long ago they wanted a farmers market. Uh sir, your house, your neighborhood, your town, is sitting on what used to be a very productive farm.
After living in Colorado for 30 years, yes, I have a pretty good idea, EXCEPT for the recent rise in mexican gang violence and kidnappings on this side of the border. Yes, the criminal component needs to be controlled, but that has less to do with our imigration laws and a lot more to do with our drug and criminal laws.
I agree with you on the constitutional challenges, and while there won't be checkpoints, there WILL be racial profiling (otherwise, why enact this kind of law at all?!). I'm no cop, but even I can recognize many of the types of vehicles favored by Hispanics, and it's not that hard to find a minor infraction as a pretense to stop anyone – it's no different from what blacks experience driving in many areas around here. And once that minor threshold is passed, “reasonable suspicion” will be just another minor pretense for hassling and arresting non-whites.
Unfortunately, in our southwest, for a growing number of people, the fact that a person is here illegally puts them in a different category, one where whatever crime they may commit becomes exponentially worse. Never mind that there are many more speeders, DUI's and pedophiles that are here legally, if they're here illegally, well, then it's somehow a lot worse – if they weren't here in the first place, then, dad gummit, we wouldn't have “so much crime!”
The hard reality is that while certain parameters vary, all in all, the impacts of illegals, both positive and negative, end up being pretty much a wash. Immigrants may put more stress on elementary education and emergency health care, but they also pay Social Security taxes for which they'll likely never collect benefits. And like everyone else, they pay sales and property taxes.
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