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I still want urban buildings along the new Grand bridge

June 28, 2010 Midtown, Planning & Design, Public Transit 18 Comments
ABOVE: The Grand Ave bridge is scheduled to be replaced soon
ABOVE: The Grand Ave bridge is scheduled to be replaced soon

In January 2006 I posted the idea of urban buildings with retail next to a new Grand bridge (Grand Bridge Should Follow Columbus Ohio Example):

“St. Louis is planning to rebuild the existing Grand bridge by adding a landscaped median as well as wider sidewalks and bike lanes. The intent is to make it more pedestrian friendly so that St. Louis University to the north and their medical center campus to the south are better connected. You can dress up a bridge all you like but it is still hundreds of feet of dead space. No amount of median planting will make it pedestrian friendly.”

To prove my point I give you Exhibit A:

ABOVE: Recently completed Jefferson Ave bridge.  Image: Google Streetview
ABOVE: Recently completed Jefferson Ave bridge. Image: Google Streetview

The new bridge/viaduct for Jefferson Ave (above) is what is proposed for Grand Ave, without question a huge improvement over the old crumbling bridge it replaced.  It is new and pretty but to the pedestrian on the wider sidewalk it is still a long dull stretch. The planted median is there to make the drive less boring for motorists. Buildings next to a bridge?  We’ve had this for decades along Tucker (formerly 12th):

ABOVE: Tucker (right) is built over a railway line with buildings built up to the bridge structure.

Granted the Tucker bridge/tunnel is falling apart — it is roughly twice the age of the Grand bridge. The point is the Post-Dispatch, St. Patrick’s Center and Globe-Democrat buildings are all built on lower ground up against a bridge structure.  From the sidewalk you don’t realize that is the case.  Along with the Columbus Ohio recent example I cited in 2006 the idea is not far fetched at all.  But in 2006 some felt the idea wasn’t feasible.

Some, incorrectly, thought it was too impossible because of the amount of rail lines.

But as you can see above the width for the rail lines isn’t that wide, perhaps 20% of the total span.  See map.

ABOVE: Scott Ave along the north edge of the MetroLink station

Two city streets serve the properties on both sides of the bridge  — one north and one south of the tracks.

In the left of the above image you can see a single story structure next to the current bridge.  This structure actually continues under the bridge.

ABOVE: purple areas indicate where buildings could be built with a floor at bridge level.
ABOVE: purple areas indicate where buildings could be built with a floor at bridge level.

The plan is to redevelop both sides of grand for research facilities.  The #70 Grand bus in the busiest bus line in the region and the MetroLink light rail station is currently roughly in the middle of the pack for station traffic.  When this desolate area is remade transit will be key.

So here is my bridge concept:

  • forget the planted center median
  • plan railings that can be removed as buildings with storefront floors are built up to the sidewalks.
  • Allow on-street parking along the bridge except at the transit station, which would be reserved for buses.
  • The area at the station/over the tracks would be slightly wider and have room for a newsstand, food kiosks, seating, etc
  • Each side would have a self-cleaning pay public restroom.
  • the structures next to the two streets below could have elevators to get get pedestrians to/from the bridge level to the street level.
  • the buildings could contain research offices on the lower levels, retail on the bridge level and residential above.
  • with transit (bus and light rail) and a few car=sharing vehicles available for use by workers and residents the total parking count could be significantly reduced.
  • The retail on the bridge would be the commercial center for all the offices and residential I envision along the bridge and in the surrounding blocks.

Unfortunately my idea won’t happen, the engineering for the new bridge is well under way.  Maybe in 20-30 years the bridge can be retrofitted and it can still happen?

– Steve Patterson

 

Currently there are "18 comments" on this Article:

  1. Daron Dierkes says:

    I'm totally with you. Are there other bridges that can be built up against?

     
  2. ben says:

    from your last post, there seems to be a lot of interest. why not make a website ala City to River. I realize these are 2 totally different situations, but you could use the website and apply for those Pepsi grants. Get some interest and maybe Pepsi will pay for a feasibility study? maybe.

     
  3. Alfred Fickensher says:

    Just last summer we stayed at the Red Roof Inn located on Wilson right off Hampton, and while walking across the similar bridge that crosses the RR, the concrete-channelled RDPeres, and Manchester (I think) to eat at the Denny's on the north end of the bridge, we noticed that the northwest end of the bridge has one or more buildings built right close to it. They are industrial and in no way attached or even would have a use if attached to the bridge, but they do possibly serve to add support to the concept.

    Another thought is that the city possibly could get revenue from “air-rights”, income-generating buildings on steel posts leaving the ground level still available for all the city truck-parking and dirt-piling activities that currently are ongoing there at the Hampton bridge or other bridges.

     
  4. Alfred Fickensher says:

    It appears I typed before thinking.

    The building next to the Hampton bridge is on the SW end of the bridge
    alf

     
  5. Something badly needed to be done here so I'm just glad that anything is happening (even though I wish they had stuck with the plan that mimicked the old suspension bridge that was here).

     
  6. JZ71 says:

    It's not so much that “the engineering for the new bridge is well under way”, it's that the economics simply are nearly impossible to overcome. Does SLU need (or is willing to invest in) more “research offices”? Is there any demand for more retail along this corridor? Especially if parking structures will be required to supplement any limited on-street parking? Plus, bridges are typically much less stiff, deflecting significantly more as vehicles drive over them, than the floors in any adjacent building will.

    Realistically, a much better solution, for both you and the city, is what Denver did with their Broadway viaduct, a similar structure with similar structural issues. Instead of rebuilding over the railroad, they went under with the new construction, and since less clearance is required, the approaches can be (and are) shorter, leaving more of the street at grade: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=e

    Bottom line, I share your fundamental concerns about how pedestrian-unfriendly any multi-block-long viaduct is. I just don't think that trying to “put lipstick on this pig” is the best solution. I'm sure there was a reason at some point (likely multiple train tracks) why a viduct made a lot of sense in the past, but we're dealing with only 4 or 5 now, not 2 or 3 dozen, so there's realy no need for keeping Grand both flat and elevated across the valley.

     
  7. Jennifer says:

    I like your ideas and agree that a bridge is a huge blank space. I don't think the City will ditch the planted center median, but there will be a public space for seating, and public restrooms, in the new transit plaza below. Also the transit access is going to be moved further north on the bridge, by relocating the elevator/stair towers so that they touch down in the new plaza. We blogged about it at NextStop some time ago; there's lots of pictures and drawings that hopefully convey the feel of the new space down below. Even though that doesn't solve the problem of the huge blank space above, I do think it's going to help improve the general feel of the whole area.

     
  8. arkiben says:

    It's a great idea! Another example is downtown Chicago, especially north of the river. Compare it with Tucker, you can see how St Louis routinely did those kinds of things more than 50 years ago. Today it's a stretch just to replace a threadbare bridge. No big technical stretch to do it, if traffic can be made to span the railroad nothing is stopping a commercial floor load. Just now nothing is biting anyone to do it. As you said, maybe in the future it can be retrofitted, probably. The only drawback I can think of would be blocking one of the nicer long-distance views of downtown inside the city.
    Another poster just mentioned a future transit plaza, which brings up the point that the Grand Station is going to be changed along with the bridge. The elevators will be permanently moved off the platform to somewhere next to the tracks, so all passengers will have to cross over the tracks to enter the platform. I know you have to cross the tracks at a lot of the other stations, but I don't like them. Too many passengers darting in front of trains, I always dreaded the day I would see something horrific. It's sometimes a grade-separated system and sometimes not, people get confused and make bad judgments. Less track crossings would be better. And I think the elevator shafts with wrap-around staircases are cool.

     
  9. ben says:

    how about just putting the sidewalks down the middle of the road. bike/ped access down the middle with flowers/trees protecting them from the street

     
  10. I like to ride my pickup truck on this bridge. This is the way which I like the most to hang around from my truck.

     
  11. Lmaccaskey says:

    I'm in complete agreement with your points. Can't imagine what the Ponte Vecchio in Florence would look like without the jewelry business lining it — just another bridge. Put planter pots along the sidewalk, but don't just create another stretch of bridge that everyone wants to blaze past as quickly as possible! Where's the civic pride in that??

     
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