8th & Market: Vehicle Stop Line Where Pedestrians Should Cross 8th Street, No Marked Crosswalk
Last week, while we were out at 8th & Market. I noticed another design flaw in St. Louis’ pedestrian network.
This is between Citygarden and Ballpark Village/Busch Stadium. The stop line and markings are recent. The detectable warnings on the sidewalk/ramp are there to help guide the visually disabled. Vehicles must stop before the stop line — but pedestrians and vehicles can’t occupy the same space at the same time.
This conflict occurs more than you think, because many of downtown’s signalized intersections fail to have marked crosswalks. If a crosswalk were marked it would’ve been obvious the vehicle stop line would be back where the Buick is in the second image.
In the 11+ years I’ve been doing this blog at least two downtown traffic studies have been done. To my knowledge, no pedestrian study has ever been conducted. Another example of nobody paying attention to what they’re doing.
D’oh!
— Steve Patterson
So. Is that ped coordinator just a mythical creature?
he’s been on the job for six months-ish. STL City has roughly 10,000 intersections. give him some time.
Its one of the most high profile intersections in the City, gotta start somewhere, and I haven’t seen any evidence that he has started at all
He got this example fixed in one day: see https://www.facebook.com/UrbanReviewSTL/photos/a.225894653933.134785.220235203933/10154244312408934/?type=3&theater
The problem is too big for one person to identify and solve. We need to figure out the problems and then priorities fixing them. More importantly, we need to make sure we do a significantly better job going forward.
After almost seven years here, I’m coming around to the view that St. Louis is irredeemably damaged. Treat it like Sodom- move the good people out, nuke it from space. Only way to be sure.
You’re welcome to leave. Some of us would like to keep trying.
I do, however, appreciate the “Aliens” reference.
Nice job, needs a walk sign (I understand that takes longer/costs more).